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#1461 User is offline   InSidE 

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 16:37

Eu am ~172.000 si nu se aude nimic.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 16:51

eu am 123.000 si merge ca unsa :drinks:
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 20:04

Am fost la reprezentanta BMW in Baneasa sa fac update la soft la masina. Spre surprinderea mea am aflat ca domnul de acolo mi-a zis ca ar fi bine sa nu fac update la soft deoarece exista riscul sa se strice un modul si sa trebuiasca sa il platesc eu . Le-am zis ca imi asum riscul oricum mi s-a parut o prostie(e ca si cum m-as duce la cineva sa imi reinstaleze windows si el imi spune ca nu vrea sa faca asta pentru ca exista riscul sa "nu poata"). Dupa care am avut discutia despre lantul de distributie la masina si l-am intrebat daca s-a rezolvat problema . El a zis ca nu. Si a zis ca nu e vina lor ci a furnizorilor pentru ca au scazut calitatea materialelor folosite.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 20:06

Deci cine schimba distributia nu scapa?
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 20:12

 ifx, on 28 December 2012 - 20:06, said:

Deci cine schimba distributia nu scapa?

A zis ca la ei te costa in jur de 3k euro sa schimbi distributia pentru ca o sa schimbe si vibrochenul. Si cand am intrebat daca sunt probleme si la motoarele din 2012 a zis ca distributia e aceeaiasi deci sunt probleme nu s-a rezolvat nimic. A zis ca nu au avut ei in service masini din 2012 cu distributia rupta pentru ca ar fi culmea . Dar au avut seria 3, 5, si X5, X3. In principiu dupa cum iti e norocul. In schimb mi-a zis ca nu au avut cazuri in care sa nu se fi auzit zgomot inainte ca distributia sa se rupa. A zis ca se aude cand e motorul rece daca probleme sunt mici iar inainte sa se rupa se aude si cu motorul cald. Ce au scris unii inainte ca nu se auzea nimic si ca s-a rupt distributia par a fi bancuri. Am fost la 2 reprezentate si au zis la fel ca inainte sa se rupa se aude.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:12

Problema la masina mea a revenit in sensul ca in contnuare lantul freaca una dintre patine, acesta este fasaitul despre care vorbesc.Este foarte probabila si inlocuirea arborelui. Culmea, acum iarna la minus grade nu se aude nimic la pornire, in schimb cand se incalzeste motorul incepe sa se auda lantul care freaca patina. La e90 163cp am avut peste 300.000km si nu am schimbat absolut nimic!
P.S. La service-ul unde am schimbat eu distibutia, la cateva zile a venit un 535d cu pompa de ulei blocata, rupt distrubutie si rectificat ulterior _chiulasa_.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:39

Din tot ce am auzit eu si altii de pe aici, deduc ca harshaitul ala nu e un zgomot-problema, e un zgomot normal de distributie la N47. Nici macar la mine nu era o problema REALA. Imi amintesc foarte clar ca acum 1 an, la un F10 am auzit EXACT acelasi zgomot si masina aia chiar nu avea cum sa aiba multi km.
Cand si daca o sa fie vreodata probleme, sunt convins ca zgomotul il auzi chiar de esti afon la motoare.

Concluzia: sa tinem urechile ciulite pe viitor, in rest sa ne bucuram de masina asa cum e.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:34

 Dekkers, on 29 December 2012 - 01:12, said:

Culmea, acum iarna la minus grade nu se aude nimic la pornire, in schimb cand se incalzeste motorul incepe sa se auda lantul care freaca patina.

Nu e chiar culmea... pentru ca uleiul este f gros la rece. Si cat despre povestea ca nu e vina celor de la bmw e vina producatorilor.... e penibila. Daca au vazut ca aia le dau gunoaie ei insista sa le cumpere de vreo 5 ani. MAi mult ca sigur vreun directoras de la BMW a hotarat sa reduca costurile si odata cu aceasta masura a scazut si calitatea.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 14:31

 23LKY, on 03 January 2012 - 19:32, said:

Deci eu am sunat cam cu o luna in urma la bavaria sa intreb daca masina mea are vreo rechemare in service, am comunicat seria de sasiu si mi-au spus nu, stati linistit ca masina nu are nimic. Apoi am intrebat daca e cazul sa fac o verificare a distributiei si mi-au zis ca nu e cazul, e pe lant si nu necesita mentenanta...

Acum ma repet, TOATE motoarele N47 sufera de problema asta. Nu exista serii cu probleme sau nu. E acelasi nenorocit de crankshaft si pe toate motoarele astea, 116d, 118d, 120d, 123d, 318d, 320d, 520d, X1, X3 de dupa aprilie 2007 e acelasi vilbrochen sau cum s-o scrie...


Eu vreau sa achizitionez BMW 320d din 2006,si la el sunt problemele legate de distributie?
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 14:32

Nu. Nu sunt.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 15:18

View PostBala, on 29 December 2012 - 14:32, said:

Nu. Nu sunt.

multumesc!
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 13:14

PuMA measure 43863106-04
 
No measurement Theme
43863106-04 N47, N47S, N47T, grinding noise in the engine, the timing chain scrapes
 
Date validation (jjlmmlaa) Current Status Affiliate
28.02.12 Validated FR. VP
 
Vehicles involved
 
Series E Motor Body
E60 E61 E81 E82 E83 N47 N47S N47DKO N47T
E84 E87 E88 E90 E91
E92 E93 F10 F11 F25
 
Production period (from / to) Comment period _infos Return (all cases
(Jjlmmlaa) production until) (dd / mm / yy)
/ 03.01.11
 
Complaint
Engine noise and friction scraping type from 1500 rev / min, perceptible in the cockpit. The noise is noticeable on the gearbox housing or the oil pan.
 
Cause
Sharp edges of the sprockets or the distribution channel does not move regularly on the slides.
 
Measure
It is necessary to distinguish two cases enter:
case 1:
 
for motors N47, N47DKO, N47S, production period from 01.03.2007 to 05.01.2009.
In case of customer complaint, replace the following parts:
(See Appendix, Figures 1-7) - 11 21 7803479 replacement crankshaft with bearings.
 
Note: Use crankshafts produced after 5. 1. 2009 l
The production date stamped on the crankshaft sprocket (see Appendix, page 2.)
Numbers mean:
- The first two digits indicate the production line.
- The six digits indicate the year (two digits), month, and day.
- The five checkered figures correspond to the serial number of the crankshaft.
The crankshaft shown on page 2 of the Annex has been made October 21, 2009.
 
- 11 41 7 797 896 chain drive of the oil pump.
- 11 31 8 506 652 chain below.
- 13 52 7 797 906 sprocket for driving the oil pump.
- 11 27 7 800 523 gear (intermediate gear for balancing shafts).
- 11 27 7 802 575 pinion (drive shaft balancing).
- 11 27 7 802 576 pinion (drive shaft balancing).
- 11 31 8 510 014 upper chain.
- 11 31 7 797 899 slide / slide for superior supply chain.
- 13 52 7 797 904 slide / slides to the lower chain.
 
Note: according tune and repair instructions for the idler
balance shafts!
If the idler gear and balancer shafts are set incorrectly, the engine can produce sounds
even with a nine crankshaft, etc.. the
See the manual repair 11 21 500 "replacement of the crankshaft."
 
Note 1 of the vehicles on which the crankshaft has already been replaced in a
previous repair: treating these vehicles as described in "case 2".
 
Case 2:
 
for motors N47, N47DKO, N47S, N47T production period of 05.01.2009 to 01 .03,2011
In case of customer complaint, replace the following parts:
(See Appendix, Figures 8 to 10)
 
- 11 31 8 506 652 chain down.
- 13 52 7 797 906 sprocket for driving the oil pump.
- 11 31 8 510 014 upper chain.
- 11 31 7 797 899 slide / slide for superior supply chain.
- 13 52 7 797 904 slide / slide for chain lower
 
Note: it is not necessary to loosen the bolt on the idler gear for trees
balancing the
 
Note: Since March 2011, there are new tracks.
These slides have no reinforcement bars.
(See Appendix, pages 7 and 10.)
The running surface of the rails is very flat.
The chain moves well on regular slides.
Part numbers have not changed.
 
Note: When repairing, make sure that there are more than runners without side bars!
(See Appendix, Fig. 7 and 10.)
 
Warning:
do not repair a second time vehicles produced after 03/2011 and vehicles on which all current measures have already been implemented in the acoustic level corresponds to the situation of the series There is no risk of break the chain! replacement engine for this reason is not allowed!

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Vad ca sunt luate in calcul si masini care au beneficiat deja de o reparatie a distributiei.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 13:30

PuMA measure 43863106-09

No measurement Theme
43863106-09 N47, N47S, N47T, grinding noise in the engine, the timing chain scrapes
 
Validation date (dd / mm / yy) Current Status Affiliate
Validated 14/12/12 FR, VP
 
Vehicles involved
 
Series E Motor Body
E60 E61 E81 E82 E83 N47 N47S N47DKO N47T
E84 E87 E88 E90 E91
E92 E93 F10 F11 F20
F25 F30 F31
 
Production period (beyond) Comment period Return info (all cases
(Dd / mrn / yy) production until) (dd / mnn / yy) /
 
Complaint
Engine noise and friction scraping type from 1500 rev / min, perceptible in the cockpit. The noise is noticeable on the gearbox housing or the oil pan.
 
Cause
Sharp edges of the sprockets or the chain does not move regularly on the slides.
 
Important measure:
before starting the repair, ensure the availability of essential items!
 
It is necessary to distinguish between three cases:
 
case 1:
 
for motors N47, N47DKO, N47S, production period from 01.03.2007 to 05.01.2009.
In case of customer complaint, replace the following components:
 
- 11 21 7 803 479 replacement crankshaft with bearing shells.
 
Note: Use crankshafts produced after 5. 1. 2009!
The production date stamped on the crankshaft sprocket (see Appendix, page 1.)
Meaning of numbers
- The first two digits indicate the production line.
- The six digits indicate the year (two digits), month, and day.
- The last five digits are the serial number of the crankshaft. The crankshaft shown on page 1 of the Annex has been made October 21, 2009.
 
- 11 41 7 797 896 chain drive of the oil pump.
- 11 31 8 506 652 chain below.
- 13 52 7 797 906 sprocket drive the oil pump.
- 11 27 7 800 523 gear (intermediate gear for balancing shafts).
- 11 27 7 802 575 pinion (drive shaft balancing).
- 11 27 7 802 576 pinion (drive shaft balancing).
- 11 31 8 510 014 upper chain.
- 11 31 7 797 899 guide rail for upper timing chain.
- 13 52 8 573 158 guide rail for timing chain lower
- 13 52 8 573 159 rail for timing chain tensioner below.
 
Note: the lower chain, use only the rails and tensioners guidageamortis! (See Appendix, page 2)
For greater supply chain, use only the rail without reinforcements! (See Appendix, page 3)
 
Note: according tune and repair instructions for the idler lesarbres balancing!
If the idler gear and balancer shafts are set incorrectly, the engine can produce a crankshaft with nine bruitsmême, etc.. View manual repair 11 21 500 "replacement of the crankshaft."
 
Note: On vehicles on which the crankshaft has been replaced under uneréparation previous:
treat these vehicles as described in "case 2".
 
Case 2:
 
for motors N47, N47DKO, N47S, N47T period from production of 05.01.2009 - 01.03.2011
In case of customer complaint, replace the following parts:
 
- 11 31 8 506 652 chain below.
- 13 52 7 797 906 sprocket for driving the oil pump.
- 11 31 8 510 014 upper chain.
- 11 31 7 797 899 guide rail for upper timing chain.
- 13 52 8 573 158 guide rail for lower chain.
- 13 52 8 573 159 rail for timing chain tensioner below.
 
Note: it is not necessary to loosen the bolt on the idler for the arbresd'équilibrage
 
Note: the lower chain, use only the rails and tensioners guidageamortis l (see Appendix, page 2)
For greater supply chain, use only the rail without reinforcements! (See Appendix, page 3)
 
Note: On vehicles having already been under repair track without reinforcements and surlesquels both chains have been replaced: treat these vehicles as indicated inparagraph "Case 3).
 
Case 3:
 
For N47T engine part products from 01.03.2011 and engines already repaired with rails deguidage without reinforcements.
In case of customer complaint, replace the following parts:
 
- 11 31 8 506 652 chain below.
- 13 52 7 797 906 sprocket for driving the oil pump.
- 11 31 8 510 014 upper chain.
- 13 52 8 573 158 guide rail for lower chain.
- 13 52 8 573 159 rail for timing chain tensioner below.
 
Note: The theoretical version after repair is shown on page 4 of the Annex.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 13:33

Bala cati km ai cu masina?

Si inca ceva, ati observat acum de cand cu vremea rece, zgomot pronuntat de lant? Pana sa se incalzeasca? Am 10000km cu uleiul asta si cred ca cere a fi schimbat. 110300km la bord.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 13:37

Nu. Nu am zgomot. Cel putin eu nu il aud (81.500 km) si l-am ascultat si rece si cald.

Saptamana viitoare am programare la ei si o vor verifica si ei.

Cumva ma bucur ca inca nu am facut interventia. Vad ca astia inca modifica piese.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 16:23

Poi nici nu are rost sa o faci! Din moment ce nu se aude nimic?! Daca e sa se auda ceva se aude de la o posta... si atunci o supui interventiei, mi se pare aiurea sa schimbi preventiv :rolleyes: (parerea mea)plus ca e vorba de o gramada de bani :pardon:
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:59

Am si eu o nedumerire.

In primul pot sa spus ceva de genul: pentru motoarele fabricate din 2009 pana in 2011 "nu se aplica".
Asta inseamna ca la acele motoare problema a disparut?. Intntionez sa imi cumpar un seria 3 E90 (modelul cu Euro 5, de preferat din a 2-a jumatate a lui 2009) si vreau sa stiu daca trebuie sa iau in considerarea acesta problema sau nu?

Multumesc anticipat.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:03

View PostRazvan V, on 07 January 2013 - 10:59, said:

In primul pot sa spus ceva de genul: pentru motoarele fabricate din 2009 pana in 2011 "nu se aplica".


Nu trebuie inlocuit si vibrochenul.

View PostRazvan V, on 07 January 2013 - 10:59, said:

Intntionez sa imi cumpar un seria 3 E90 (modelul cu Euro 5, de preferat din a 2-a jumatate a lui 2009) si vreau sa stiu daca trebuie sa iau in considerarea acesta problema sau nu?


Da. Trebuie inlocuita distributia insa fara vibrochen.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:04

View PostBala, on 07 January 2013 - 11:03, said:

Trebuie inlocuita distributia insa fara vibrochen.

Deci tot ce trebuie inlocuit este doar lantul?

Sper ca nu stresez cu intrebari, ale caror raspunsuri sunt mai mult ca sigure date, insa nu m-am obijnuit inca cu fluxul de informatie.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:07

Nici noi nu ne-am obisnuit :( (vezi ultimul PUMA).

Dat motorul jos si inlocuite piesele respective (lanturi + patine + intinzatoare).

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